Thinking about this CJ not

Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
I'm thinking about this, haven't made the trip to see it yet. Seller says it ran when parked(+), has title, (very important here in NC), and believes it to be a CJ5. Obviously if the title says 1953 it's not a CJ5. The engine is not stuck, the frame is solid but the floors need some repair. With the curved fenders, it's a M38A1 right?
 

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Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
Reply to my own post, a couple more pics...
 

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Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
Any comments or observations are welcomed.
 

Stakebed

Well Oiled
All-Star
Mar 4, 2020
4,961
Northern California
First Name
Joe
Willys Model
  1. Pickup
Willys Year:
  1. 1957
M38a1's do not have tailgates. I think it's a CJ with the incorrect YOM on the title or whatever.

Upon further review, it's has the CJ gauges and parking brake assembly. M38a1's had one speedometer and four auxiliary gauges in a removable panel and the parking brake handle was btwn the seats.

a1's also don't have Jeep stamped into the lower cowl.
 
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Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
That mess on the front is the remains of a snow plow I think?Screenshot_20210720-194325.png
 

Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
No the seller says the title says '53 but someone else has bought it before I could get there.
 

Vintage Don

Well Oiled
All-Star
Oct 9, 2017
3,212
Medina, Ohio
First Name
Don
Willys Model
  1. Pickup
Willys Year:
  1. 1948
I am definitely no expert on the M38A1 or early CJ5As. But that Jeep doesn't appear to have the recessed military style headlights or parking lights. The M38A1 was born with 24 volt electric - there might be a clue remaining of that feature. The hood doesn't look M38A1 to me either.
 

Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
Well I missed it so I'm looking again. I prefer an early CJ either 4 cyl or online AMC six powered.
 

Papa

Gear Grinder
Jul 21, 2021
7
NC
First Name
Tommy
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1953
Yeah, I would buy a V6 model. Just happen to be an online fan.
 

Seabee

Well Oiled
Dec 23, 2014
1,085
Mulkeytown, IL
First Name
Joe
Willys Model
  1. Wagon
Willys Year:
  1. 1952
The cowl had the compartment lid for the batteries. I wonder if it had a CJ-5 front clip on it?
 

ndnile

Well Oiled
All-Star
Oct 23, 2017
1,012
Northern CA
First Name
Doug
Willys Model
  1. Wagon
Willys Year:
  1. 1959
The cowl had the compartment lid for the batteries. I wonder if it had a CJ-5 front clip on it?
The early CJ5’s had the battery lid welded shut and the battery (singular) put in the engine bay. If you zoom in you can see that it is missing both the thumb screws of the early A1’s and the clamps of the later A1’s.
 

pevrs114

Gear Grinder
Jul 28, 2021
8
NC
First Name
Baxter
Willys Model
  1. CJ
Willys Year:
  1. 1949
I believe an M38A1 would also have blackout lights in place of the marker lights.

My guess is an incorrect year on the title.
 

ndnile

Well Oiled
All-Star
Oct 23, 2017
1,012
Northern CA
First Name
Doug
Willys Model
  1. Wagon
Willys Year:
  1. 1959
I believe an M38A1 would also have blackout lights in place of the marker lights.

My guess is an incorrect year on the title.
Actually A blackout light would be mounted to left front fender and casts a narrow beam in front of the jeep. The lights in the grill on an M38A1 are called marker lights and are used to help judge the distance of the jeep in front or behind you. Post-military they are often swapped out for civy parking lights, so not useful for ID-ing a rig.

Back to the subject on hand, based on it having the non-functional cowl battery box it is an early CJ5. Pre-65 I believe.
 

diggerG

Well Oiled
Oct 2, 2011
5,159
Wrentham Ma.
First Name
Greg
Willys Model
  1. Wagon
Willys Year:
  1. 1963
it certainly has the M38A1 windshield. A PO had a CJ with no title and an M38A1 with a good windshield so a marriage was made.
diggerG
 
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