New guy with a 55 wag and some questions

GUNNERSHUSBAND

Gear Grinder
Feb 2, 2011
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Willys Model
Willys Year:
Hi folks, my name's Rob I've been lurking for a couple weeks and now that I'm waste deep in drive train I figured it was a great time to say hello, introduce myself and ask a couple questions. First, I have what my title says is a 1955 Utility Wagon 4x4, It has a franken-repower in the form of a 60's era for Y-block and a PTO winch that was most definately added in someone's driveway and NOT by the dealer (very poorly installed the access for the pto lever was drilled, cut and peeled open, the pto shaft has been held up with zip ties and bailing wire for the last 30 years). So here's my FIRST QUESTION: My interior, my body trim, and a few other things point to model year 55, my cross bars in the grill point to 56 (though the center could have easily been moved) heres my kicker I have the ribbed roof of a 58/59 era wagon, not smooth. I understand it was common in the 50's that if they ran out of parts for say a 55 they'd start using parts from the stack of '56 parts and call it a 1955 still. HOWEVER to have a roof that didn't come around for a FEW years seems odd. NOW, the truck was repainted (very poorly) early on in life but the original color can be seen on the the inside of the doors, my original thought was that maybe a few years into the life of this wagon some roof damage was repaired in the form of a new roof from 59 or so by the dealer. Scraping away the paint on the roof reveals the original green color and the seam sealer underneath the lip on the edge of the roof is green also. I really don't know. Oh and did I mention i didn't notice until I'd had the truck for a year that the Vin Plate was gone?!!! I ordered a blank replacement and unless I can find something to tell me otherwise I'll just punch the Vin that's on the title.

MY PLAN: I'm getting ready to move from southeastern virginia where I am currently stationed to the tiny town of Petersburg, AK in southeastern Alaska. I don't leave until May and my current plan is to rebuild from the ground up rather than frame off. I'm rebuilding to stock specs the complete drive train, axles suspension, xfer, transmission, pto, brakes, tubes tires etc. I also have a new wiring harness and other associated junk. I want to make her SAFE and LEGAL to drive before I leave town, I'll worry about the beauty contest later. I have a box of stuff from kaiser that weighs about 100 lbs of bearings shims gaskets and anything else i need to get me started. So far I have my rear original dana 44 gutted cleaned painted and ready to be put back together (i got a little heavy handed taking out the pinion and messed up the threads so bad I had to order a new ring and pinion set, no die cutter would have helped me here, $250 mistake I've been much more careful since). Transmission, transfer, pto, front axle gas tank have all been dropped also and are next in line for overhaul. I picked the truck up from Colorado about a year ago where it had lived it's whole life, it also appears that it still had a lifetime's worth of mud and grease caked on EVERYTHING underneath. I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say I spent 1 hour chipping mud and grease from the rear axle before I loosened my first bolt. Things are well underway. I also purchased a 100 percent complete 6-226 to restore and install eventually, it will be on an engine stand in the shed when I'm ready but it was cheaper to buy now than to have it shipped to AK after I move.

SUMMARY: Any opinions, thoughts, facts or other information about the year of my wagon would be appreciated, SECOND if someone could point me in the direction of some very detailed photo's of a PROPER PTO winch installation I would be crazy grateful.

I uploaded a photo but here's a link to my BEFORE photos there are like 50 more. I look forward to working with/ talking with and getting to know you all.

http://s902.photobucket.com/albums/ac230/gunnershusband/1955 Willys Wagon/



you can call me Rob my screen name is a reference to my wife's chosen profession.
 

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Welcome to the forums. Nice looking wagon. Good to hear you want to make it stock. I never took any pics of my winch before I took the parts wagon apart, hopefully someone can come along with some.
 
Welcome to the forum Rob...

Pete
 
Welcome! I knew that motor looked familiar. I love those old Y-blocks and FE-blocks, their valvetrains are music to my ears!

But I'm glad to hear you're working your way back towards originality. It is quite possible someone may have replaced the roof. I've been working that area finishing up my body work before shooting topcoat, and it seems you could separate the roof pretty easily to replace it.
 
Darn, what coincidence!
Yesterday I spotted your beautiful wagon linked somewhere on the net (was it cardomain?) and took a good look at waggy's pics. Namely, it looks pretty much as I had intended for my wagon, mostly the blue colour (you know what is its name? there are many variables of "blue") and the nice looking black wheels. I even downloaded some of them as a future reference for the paint job. You have the pics of mine in the build threads section.
Wish u luck with the project!
 
You have a big project in a short amount of time...driving or towing it to Alaska is a big journey. I would suggest using parts that are readily available at NAPA or any national parts store...break downs will happen. It sounds like you have a good plan....and thank you for your service! Keep us posted on your progress and journey.
Welcome to the Forum!
:cheers:
 
Rob,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for coming out of the lurking stage....

Nice looking wagon too...

Eric B
 
Thanks to everyone for your warm reception, I'm still looking for photos of a proper PTO winch install if anyone has a source. If I go too long I'm either going to wing it or trade someone for an overdrive.

cnsay said:
Welcome to the forums. Nice looking wagon. Good to hear you want to make it stock. I never took any pics of my winch before I took the parts wagon apart, hopefully someone can come along with some.

Thanks, I'm keeping my eyes open for a source on those pics, I'm not mechanically inept so I could figure SOMETHING out but I'd certainly like to be as accurate as I can.

Pete said:
Welcome to the forum Rob...

Pete

Thanks Pete, where is Hailey compared to Pocatello?

silicond17 said:
Welcome! I knew that motor looked familiar. I love those old Y-blocks and FE-blocks, their valvetrains are music to my ears!

But I'm glad to hear you're working your way back towards originality. It is quite possible someone may have replaced the roof. I've been working that area finishing up my body work before shooting topcoat, and it seems you could separate the roof pretty easily to replace it.

I love the Y-blocks too and in the short term at least the "repower" is semi vintage. I have a friend that just bought a 55 f100 so he'll probably get the engine when it comes out. I got the impression that the roof would come off easily also, I've made up my own explanation in my head and I think I'm gonna roll with it. Frankly I like the ribbed for my "enjoyment" roof a little better anyhow.

mladen.caver said:
Darn, what coincidence!
Yesterday I spotted your beautiful wagon linked somewhere on the net (was it cardomain?) and took a good look at waggy's pics. Namely, it looks pretty much as I had intended for my wagon, mostly the blue colour (you know what is its name? there are many variables of "blue") and the nice looking black wheels. I even downloaded some of them as a future reference for the paint job. You have the pics of mine in the build threads section.
Wish u luck with the project!

You did indeed see this one on cardomain, that was the previous owners posting Kevin out in Colorado. I bought it from him and trailered it all the way back to VA. Regarding color, your guess is as good as mine the repaint was well before my time and it looks like a shoddy job, however the blue is very pretty when it gets wet or cleans up. It's not an original 1955 color according to my dupont paint chips but if you messege me your address I'd be happy to send you a chip scraping in the mail for your reference. I know what you mean about downloading pictures I have files on all my computers even my work machine titled "old willys'' with downloaded reference photos AKA "Willys Porn" . Funny story, when I towed it back to Virginia almost every time i stopped at a gas station someone would ask me "hey, what is that? is that a jeep?" I even had someone follow off the highway and pull in behind me just to ask when we stopped.


62 OlllO said:
You have a big project in a short amount of time...driving or towing it to Alaska is a big journey. I would suggest using parts that are readily available at NAPA or any national parts store...break downs will happen. It sounds like you have a good plan....and thank you for your service! Keep us posted on your progress and journey.
Welcome to the Forum!
:cheers:

Thankyou! My wife and I lived in AK for 3 years before getting stationed in VA, now she's a civilian and we're going back, couldn't be happier by the way. The willys will be shipped by a car carrier at the Governments expense as part of my move, but it has to be drivable, licensed and legal in order for them to ship, it will be a few more years before we make the transcontinental voyage in the wagon, but it IS coming.

Eric B said:
Rob,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for coming out of the lurking stage....

Nice looking wagon too...

Eric B

Thanks Boss, I see you live in the springs, my wife is from Castle Rock where she still has family in fact it was my father in law who drove a couple hours south with the trailer to pick up the wagon before I could drive out to pick it up. Maybe we have a mini willys rally the next time I roll through, I'll bring a photo of mine :lol:
 
Funny story, when I towed it back to Virginia almost every time i stopped at a gas station someone would ask me "hey, what is that? is that a jeep?" I even had someone follow off the highway and pull in behind me just to ask when we stopped.

Welcome to the forum, I had the same experience towing my pickup from WY to NY. One guy even asked me to take his picture with it. :D
 
didn't i see this on ebay a few weeks back? Sharp looking wagon. Mine is very similar except I have a chevy motor. Good luck with your project!
 
The Grinch said:
didn't i see this on ebay a few weeks back? Sharp looking wagon. Mine is very similar except I have a chevy motor. Good luck with your project!

yes but only for a couple days, with the move to AK coming up, wife and I were struggling with what to sell and what to keep. We decided to sell my daily driver a 97 cherokee and dump money and time into the wagon to make it mechanically sound. Where we're moving in the great white north I'll only be a couple blocks from my job in a town of 3000 people on an island that's mostly national forest, so I can ride a bike to work if the wagon is out of commission for one reason or another, but we're never selling it........ after what we went through to get it here from colorado we coudn't bring ourselves to do it.
 
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