Koenig PTO winch

Pete

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  1. Wagon
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  1. 1960
My wagon came with a Koenig PTO winch. This is the first PTO winch I've owned, so I didn't know much about it.

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I did some reading on-line about these winches, learned how to operate it, etc. I also discovered that it is missing some parts.

Until I read about how it is supposed to work, I couldn't figure out how to release the drum to - the cable without slowly running it out with the engine. Turns out that it is missing the entire release assembly and drum brake.

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Apparently this is a common problem with these winches because there are two mounting tabs on the right "a" frame bracket that get broken off if the cable gets out of the drum and wound up along side it. You can see in the photo above that there are cable marks in the cast metal "a" frame bracket. You can also see the jagged edge of the bracket where the tabs used to be.

There is supposed to be a handle, and a "fork" that moves a sleeve back and forth on the end of the drum. When the sleeve, or clutch, is released, the brake pushes against the side of the drum to keep it from un-spooling by itself.

The drum clutch is supposed to be released unless the winch is in use, preventing it from being engauged by accident from inside, pulling the hook through the fairlead or busting the gears.

You can see in this photo that this has happened before, the diamond plate deck has a tear in it where the hook came around when it was wound in too far.

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Since mine is missing the whole assembly, I have no way to release the clutch without prying the clutch to one side with a pry-bar...

I have a couple leads on some parts. If I can find the missing stuff, I think I can fab a bracket that bolts to the "a" frame to replace the ears that are broken off.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Pete
 
Nice looking cable, perhaps the cable will work on your new winch? Is it worth saving?
 
62 OlllO said:
Nice looking cable, perhaps the cable will work on your new winch? Is it worth saving?

Kevin-

The cable is new, installed by the previous owner. I think he put on the diamond plate too. There is not a cutout for the drum clutch handle in the diamond plate, so apparently the handle and misc parts were missing before the diamond plate was made to fit. He probably didn't know it was missing.

There isn't anything wrong with the rest of the winch, so I plan to keep it and see if I can rig something to fix the missing stuff. The PTO and driveshaft seem to work fine.

Here's one solution, found on the web

These pics show what is supposed to be there-

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Pete
 
Pete:
You have exactly the same broken off brake mechanism that was missing on my Koenig's winch. If you look at the passenger side A frame that connects the drum to the cradle, you might be able to see where the "ears" broke off the A frame. Those ears hold the cross shaft that is the fulcrum for the brake lever that rubs against the outside of the drum.
I got all the parts necessary to replace the missing pieces from Herm the Overdrive Guy:

Parts for Koenig's winch Model 100 - Low Mount version
40024 Spring $3.75
40469 Shift Lever $39.50
40473 Brake shoe $48.50
40022 & 40025 Pin & C clips $3.75
Shipping #11.00
Total $106.50

The trick will be to make up and weld on strong homemade aluminum "ears" onto the A frame again.... A good mid-winter project!

Cheers

Pavel
 
pavel6 said:
Pete:
You have exactly the same broken off brake mechanism that was missing on my Koenig's winch. If you look at the passenger side A frame that connects the drum to the cradle, you might be able to see where the "ears" broke off the A frame. Those ears hold the cross shaft that is the fulcrum for the brake lever that rubs against the outside of the drum.
I got all the parts necessary to replace the missing pieces from Herm the Overdrive Guy:

Parts for Koenig's winch Model 100 - Low Mount version
40024 Spring $3.75
40469 Shift Lever $39.50
40473 Brake shoe $48.50
40022 & 40025 Pin & C clips $3.75
Shipping #11.00
Total $106.50

The trick will be to make up and weld on strong homemade aluminum "ears" onto the A frame again.... A good mid-winter project!

Cheers

Pavel

Thanks Pavel, just what I was looking for. I sent Herm an email this morning, but haven't heard back from him yet...

I'm assuming the stuff you bought was used?

Pete
 
I found another source for parts, Pummel Truck Supply in Oregon.

They quoted the parts I need:

The Upright A-Frame Part number 103 $150.80

Shifter lever 199 $37.70
Spring 195 $.76
Pin 196 $2.55
Brake Shoe 198 $47.85

Total without shipping (not including the A-frame): $88.86

Pretty close to Herm for the small parts. Herm wants $260 for the A-frame, or $195 if I send him my old one for a core. :shock:

I think I can fab something to work instead of replacing the A-frame, and save the $150 for a new wiring harness...

Now that I know I'm going to be able to find the parts, I just need to scrape up the cash...

Pete
 
BobatWarsaw said:

Hi Bob-

I've seen this adaptation, and I plan to do something similar with my winch. I found several sources for the missing parts, and even the tower that is missing the tabs can be replaced. It's all money though, and right now the winch is a low priority... gotta get it road-ready for Moab first...

Pete
 
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