KLankford
Well Oiled
Had a fuel delivery issue yesterday again and looking to replace the electric fuel pump and possibly lines to the 302 SB in my wagon. Amy recommendations/experience with pumps or lines?
Electric fuel pump recommendations
- Thread starter KLankford
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Facet pumps are reliable and are offered in many pressures.
Blue Duck
Well Oiled
It will be interesting to watch the replies. I’m running electric pumps on all 3 of my jeeps at the moment. I have the mechanical pumps and may try to get back to them at some point. I just run the cheap 2 to 4 psi pumps and keep spares handy . Try to mount them where they are easy to swap out, run a filter before the pump unless your tank is super clean.
I have tried the more expensive, higher pressure pumps that require a regulator, not good results.
I have tried the more expensive, higher pressure pumps that require a regulator, not good results.
GGOLZ
Sharpest Tool
I'm running a Carter P4070 in my 55 wagon with a chevy 350. Have it mounted on the frame by the fuel tank. Only have about 2000 miles on it but no problems. A little noisy but if your worried about noise in a Willys you don't have any other issues. Also, not running any pressure regulators or anything with this pump, just a fuel filter before the pump and one at the engine.
KLankford
Well Oiled
Just checked underneath and checked the od of the fuel line and it’s only 1/4”. I am planning on going to a 5/16 line/hose but the fitting on the tank appears to be 1/4. I just filled the tank yesterday before it gave issues and will need to get the gas back out before I can check the size of the tank fitting. It also looks like it was installed by soldering. Can’t really evaluate until I can pull the hose on it. I just got new tires yesterday and will work on springs and wheel bearings next so I’ll have to wait a week or so.
Mark W.
Precision Fit
I have had very good luck over 40 years and 5-6 vehicles with Holley Red low pressure pumps 7psi. if the carb requires lower pressure I run the Holley 1-4psi regulator
Blue Duck
Well Oiled
I had a Carter p4070 on my wagon with a regulator. I think it puts out about 8 psi, too much for a YF, might be a good fit for the 302 depending the carb that’s on it.
cptlogger
Precision Fit
- Jun 7, 2021
- 949
- First Name
- Matt
- Willys Model
- Wagon
- Pickup
- Jeepster
- CJ
- Aero
- Willys Year:
- 1947
- 1948
- 1950
- 1952
- Other
Lets see..."Had a fuel delivery issue yesterday again" & "I just filled the tank yesterday before it gave issues".
Could be related perhaps?
Where do you get your fuel? Is there any possibility that you got some water with your fuel? Are you running Ethanol fuel or "real gas"?
Of course I gotta ask, What is meant by "a fuel delivery issue"?
Could be related perhaps?
Where do you get your fuel? Is there any possibility that you got some water with your fuel? Are you running Ethanol fuel or "real gas"?
Of course I gotta ask, What is meant by "a fuel delivery issue"?
Gary E
Gear Grinder
I've used the Facet 40104 in multiple vehicles as well as in an aircraft.
Hard to believe a 302 would have done much more than idle OK with a 1/4” fuel line.
Like Gary, I use the Facet. One has been in my Wagon for almost three years now. I carry a spare ready to swap in, but so far haven’t needed it.
Like Gary, I use the Facet. One has been in my Wagon for almost three years now. I carry a spare ready to swap in, but so far haven’t needed it.
- Sep 20, 2017
- 8,511
- First Name
- Jeff
- Willys Model
- Wagon
- Pickup
- CJ
- Willys Year:
- 1955
- 1958
- 1962
Back in the '80s we had a Chevy work truck that had fuel filters that were so sensitive to water that they would "clog up" when wet. After a lot of troubleshooting we found that we had a contaminated fuel supply (we had our own pump) and filters with a media that swelled shut when exposed to water. Check the pre-filter.
Gary E
Gear Grinder
Yes, some stations have crappy fuel. A recent video showed these stations as consistantly bad:
Speedway
AMOCO
Pilot
Love's
Circle K
Sams Club
Murphy USA
Safeway
7-11
Mega Saver
Lambs National
Here in the greater Sacramento area, all the stations get their fuel from the same local terminal, which is supplied by pipelines from Bay Area refineries operated by just a couple of firms, so the odds of bad gas being brand-specific are practically nil. This distribution model is common around the US.
In more than 50 years of driving all around the west and using all kinds of stations, I’ve never gotten contaminated fuel. If bad gas were common and/or brand-specific, car makers would undoubtedly specify use of certain “clean” brands to maintain warranty rights.
Gary E
Gear Grinder
Same in
Also, the difference is local stations and how they maintain their equipment and tanks. Some stations have real problems with water/pollution in the tanks and equipment. Those 11 brands have known problems. None of them are "Top Tier " brands.
Drove tanker trucks to/from bulk plants for years.
Same in Southern Oregon. The bulk plants are in Springfield, Oregon and Chico, California. Depending on the price is where the distributor sends the trucks. All brands get their fuel from the same bulk plants. Each brand then adds their own additives. Some brands do not add the proper additives or proper amount of additives to keep the price low to the consumer.
Also, the difference is local stations and how they maintain their equipment and tanks. Some stations have real problems with water/pollution in the tanks and equipment. Those 11 brands have known problems. None of them are "Top Tier " brands.
Drove tanker trucks to/from bulk plants for years.
- Sep 20, 2017
- 8,511
- First Name
- Jeff
- Willys Model
- Wagon
- Pickup
- CJ
- Willys Year:
- 1955
- 1958
- 1962
Yup. and like I said, we had our own pumps, with the fill cap below grade in a low spot...stupid. We removed the tanks not too long after the company truck fiasco, possibly because the company truck wasn't the only victem. The company limo got gas there too and I suspect had some issues that I wasn't aware of.
KLankford
Well Oiled
Eethanol fuel. Quit within 5 min of fueling. Racetrack this time. Carburetor not getting fuel.
With all the assorted fuel issues I have had, 1/4 inch line in a lot of heat is probably the issue. The tank fitting measures 1/4 inch ID while the steel line to the front of the vehicle is 1/4 OD, when equates to probability 3/16 ID.
I can update the pump , fittings and steel line to 5/16 easily. The fitting in the tank is a tougher issue as it is soldered in.
cptlogger
Precision Fit
- Jun 7, 2021
- 949
- First Name
- Matt
- Willys Model
- Wagon
- Pickup
- Jeepster
- CJ
- Aero
- Willys Year:
- 1947
- 1948
- 1950
- 1952
- Other
My local metal welding & manufacturing shop at least weekly modifies fuel tanks. They can easily upgrade your fuel tank outlet to 5/16 or 3/8 lines for you. It is just solder.
I have, in the past, had a few radiator shops do the same for some of my fuel tanks.
Heck, in my younger & dumber days, I have replaced a few fuel outlet lines in steel tanks myself. These were soldered in.
Of course you could just plug the 1/4" line off & drill a hole to install a bulkhead fitting in the bottom of the fuel tank for whatever sized line you want. No soldering needed. Kinda Bubba though.
I have, in the past, had a few radiator shops do the same for some of my fuel tanks.
Heck, in my younger & dumber days, I have replaced a few fuel outlet lines in steel tanks myself. These were soldered in.
Of course you could just plug the 1/4" line off & drill a hole to install a bulkhead fitting in the bottom of the fuel tank for whatever sized line you want. No soldering needed. Kinda Bubba though.
In my humble opinion. It's not the quality of the fuel being dumped into the station's tanks. It's the tanks themselves. Remember way back when? A station's fuel storage tanks were above ground. The EPA required everyone to put them below ground level. Have you ever seen anyone sweeping the area around the fill ports? Yeah, the ports are slightly elevated, surrounded by a concrete skirt, above the asphalt or dirt. But that doesn't stop detritus and water from entering. Snow and ice accumulation. It melts and enters the ports. When a tanker arrives to replenish the tanks, it dumps straight into the tank, stirring up all of that crap and water on the bottom. If you are refueling at that time, it's all going straight into your tank. Don't blame the fuel. Has anyone ever seen a station employee changing filters in the pumps? Do blame the station owner for not keeping the final delivery point clean.
Gary E
Gear Grinder
It's been documented that some fuel brands do not add the proper additives and/or add the proper amount of additives to their fuel in order to reduce their overhead, thus selling their fuel at a lower price. They are not Top Tier brands. Top Tier brands are: Costco, BP, Exon Mobil, Shell, Chevron.
If local station pollution was the only issue with bad fuel, then the northern latitude stations would experience a majority of it. Not much snow and ice in the southern states...i.e. Arizona, Louisiana, et al..
Ktmdave
Sharpest Tool
I just redid my fuel system..48 pickup..Chevy 327 ..
Did a fuel cell in the bed, a Holly blue pump, 2 inline filters, a magnafual regulator with Guage, a 5/8” return line back to the fuel cell,. I added the fuel pump relay into the system as well. I’m running adlebrock 1406 4 barrel with a manual chock.
I recently added a solenoid battery disconnect from summit racing ..you have to push a button to re engage the battery power before the ignition will function this takes care of any gremlins that try and rob the battery power when sitting.
Did a fuel cell in the bed, a Holly blue pump, 2 inline filters, a magnafual regulator with Guage, a 5/8” return line back to the fuel cell,. I added the fuel pump relay into the system as well. I’m running adlebrock 1406 4 barrel with a manual chock.
I recently added a solenoid battery disconnect from summit racing ..you have to push a button to re engage the battery power before the ignition will function this takes care of any gremlins that try and rob the battery power when sitting.
