Bendix Brake PN's?

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Tralehead

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Aug 29, 2018
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Silverado, CA
First Name
Bob
Willys Model
  1. Wagon
Willys Year:
  1. 1960
Being lazy here:
Anyone have a part number for shoes for the 11" Bendix brakes? And wheel cylinder kits?
Muchas Gracias
 
My order invoices for front self adjusting from Summit as to get all from one source. Probably all made in the same factory, I compared a Crown to Carquest, marked the same, appear to be the same.
 

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Willys Overland said:
Careful, the shoes and wheel cylinders are different for the manual adjust and Self Adjusting
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I used to mix and match 11” Bendix brakes and parts from Dodge, Chevy and Wagoneers and never had a problem. Sometimes I threw away the self adjusters just did both sides the same. Never noticed a difference, drove the 11” Bendix 50,000 miles, just new shoes. It all worked fine. What are the differences??
diggerG
 
The difference between the Bendix and the Wagner is both the shoes and cylinders. I suppose that if you used both the matching shoes and cylinders from the same manufcturer it might work. The Willys re-union in Ohio may keep me busy the next few days, but if things get slow I'll try to dig out the catalogs to document the differences.
 
OK - All Wagner Numbers, cross references are available.

Pre 1965 11x2 Brakes #53 Shoes all 4 corners
Wheel Cylinders
mounting holes left top, right bottom
Left Front F14205
Right Front F14206
Left Rear F14068
Right Rear F14069
Drum BD60046

1965-1970 11x2 brakes #10D Shoes all 4 corners
Wheel Cylinders
Both top mounting holes
Left Front F18290
Right Front F18291
Left Rear F57146
Right Rear F57147
Drum BD60139
 
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Willys Overland said:
The difference between the Bendix and the Wagner is both the shoes and cylinders. I suppose that if you used both the matching shoes and cylinders from the same manufcturer it might work. The Willys re-union in Ohio may keep me busy the next few days, but if things get slow I'll try to dig out the catalogs to document the differences.
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That is not what I asked, if you are responding to me. Everybody’s (Chevy, Dodge, Jeep, Ford) 11” x 2” Bendix brakes internals were essentially the same, except for wheel cyllinders and backing plates and drums. I know that because I was the parts identification guy at the local truck salvage yard in the 70’s.
diggerG
 
diggerG said:
That is not what I asked, if you are responding to me. Everybody’s (Chevy, Dodge, Jeep, Ford) 11” x 2” Bendix brakes internals were essentially the same, except for wheel cyllinders and backing plates and drums. I know that because I was the parts identification guy at the local truck salvage yard in the 70’s.
diggerG
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Well then when I get home in a month or so I'll look at the other part of the question.
 
Willys Overland said:
The difference between the Bendix and the Wagner is both the shoes and cylinders. I suppose that if you used both the matching shoes and cylinders from the same manufcturer it might work. The Willys re-union in Ohio may keep me busy the next few days, but if things get slow I'll try to dig out the catalogs to document the differences.
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! was not talking about Wagner brakes the initial post did not make that clear. I repeat I used to swap over Chevy, Dodge and Ford Bendix brake parts at random and they. looked all the same to me. Not sure about wheel cyls, probably not. and certainly not backing plates.
diggerG
 
@diggerG
I was doing some interchange snooping. RockAuto has a very good interchange. Bendix rear wheel cylinders for a 1-ton. Most all manufacturers of 1-ton dually trucks used the same wheel cylinders for similar year models. Bingo.
And like you say, many components do interchange, if a guy has been confronted in the past, and present.
As a young kid probably age 10-ish, my dad, an auto parts salesman, pulled out the big interchange Bible one day. That was IMPRESSIVE.

Similar with interchanging Dana 44 front knuckles and spindles and etc etc. All Good fun stuff.

When I was building up my '46 Willys cj2a back in 1983, just for trekking the Rubicon jeep trail, I used the same bore rear brake cyl's as the front.
And the reason being ? I wanted the extra push of the larger bore for when stopping on a steep grade. They worked Great.

Is all of this brake stuff available in the Tech Section of the forums ?
 
Out of Curiosity, I searched RockAuto for the brake shoes for a '65 wgoneer with the AMC 327 engine: _ 11"x 2" brakes
Below link show both Wagner and Bendix - Check out the link, then click on the INTERCHANGE button and what a range of vehicles used.

1965 JEEP WAGONEER 5.3L 327cid V8 Brake Shoe | Shop Now at RockAuto

Brake & Wheel Hub Parts and More for Your 1965 JEEP WAGONEER at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.
www.rockauto.com

the INTERCHANGE button is the blue number to the left of the INFO button. _ _ enjoy the interchange. :)
Note - I did not do an INTERCHANGE for the drums or wheel cylinders etc.
 
Greaser007 said:
Out of Curiosity, I searched RockAuto for the brake shoes for a '65 wgoneer with the AMC 327 engine: _ 11"x 2" brakes
Below link show both Wagner and Bendix - Check out the link, then click on the INTERCHANGE button and what a range of vehicles used.

1965 JEEP WAGONEER 5.3L 327cid V8 Brake Shoe | Shop Now at RockAuto

Brake & Wheel Hub Parts and More for Your 1965 JEEP WAGONEER at Reliably Low Prices. Fast Online Catalog. DIY-Easy. Your Choice of Quality. Full Manufacturer Warranty.
www.rockauto.com

the INTERCHANGE button is the blue number to the left of the INFO button. _ _ enjoy the interchange. :)
Note - I did not do an INTERCHANGE for the drums or wheel cylinders etc.
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Apparently Rock Auto does not know that the 327 Wagoneers only had the Bendix brakes and most of the OHC 6 trucks and waggys used the cam adjust Wagner brakes, EXCEPT for the 12” brakes on trucks. THey can call me anytime and I will straighten them out. MANY times a parts listing only copies other people’s mistakes. That does not help anybody. Spicer axle charts have mistakes that I have seen.
diggerG
 
diggerG said:
Apparently Rock Auto does not know that the 327 Wagoneers only had the Bendix brakes and most of the OHC 6 trucks and waggys used the cam adjust Wagner brakes, EXCEPT for the 12” brakes on trucks. THey can call me anytime and I will straighten them out. MANY times a parts listing only copies other people’s mistakes. That does not help anybody. Spicer axle charts have mistakes that I have seen.
diggerG
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OR somebody put a 327 in an OHC6 waggy or truck and somebody else listed it somewhere. This can happen.
diggerG
 
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